Daimler Kursverlauf am 15.09.: 5 % Kursverlust in einer Minute ?

@ Mike060375 [#1]

Warum denn nicht? Der Verlust bei Chrysler hat sich als mehr als doppelt so hoch herausgestellt. Das läßt die Restrukturierung des Nordamerikageschäfts in einem ganz anderen Licht erscheinen. Wahrscheinlich war ein so hoher Verlust auch überhaupt nicht erwartet worden, vielleicht noch nicht mal von institutioneller Seite. Kogisch daß die Stücke dann kurzzeitig auf den Markt geworfen werden. Es war sicher eine kleine Überreaktion, denn immerhin ist der nun erwartete op. Gewinn von 5 statt 6 Milliarden auch nicht sooo viel schlechter. Ich halte auch DCX und war aber auch etwas von der Gewinnrevision überrascht, obwohl ich nach dem permanent schlechten Newsflow von Chrysler schon Skepsis hatte. Wahrscheinlich hatten aber einige skeptische Leute jede Menge Stops im Markt, deswegen der Selloff. Nicht wundern, das war nix so Außergewöhnliches, da gabs schon schlimmere Selloffs bei weniger schlechten Nachrichten;-)).

Gruß

Scorpion

@ Mike060375 [#1]

kannst du bitte die Sekunde sagen, wo der Kurs sich 5% bewegt haben soll ?!

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Von 14:30:xx bis ~14:40 ging es zumindest auf XETRA doch schön gleichmäßig in vielen kleinen Schritten bei normal gefüllten Orderbüchern nach unten.

Ja, sowas kann auch genutzt und umgestzt werden. Für einzelne Aktien ist der Aufwand wegen deren Menge und den jeweils möglichen "nichtverhersehbaren" Informationen recht hoch.
Leute die sowas nutzen, bekommen die Info zumindest mit als erste und der Rest ist dann "Festlegen der Richtung" und Einsatz von schneller Ordertechnik.

@ TimeTrade [#3]

Lustig ist, schaut man sich den intraday Chart an, sieht es viel "brutaler" aus. Ist halt ein ganz normaler kleiner Selloff. Erlebt man regelmäßig bei den Q-Zahlen, wenn die operative Richtung weiter stimmt, völlig ohne Bedeutung;-).

@ TimeTrade [#3]

Na, wenn Du schon einen Kilometer lang Ticks postest, dann will ich Dir auch einen auffälligen Zeitpunkt nennen: 14:35:29. Bis zu dieser Sekunde kam offenbar über mehr als zwei Minuten lang kein Handel zustande, was angesichts der Handelsfrequenz vorher und nachher schon ein bemerkenswerter Aussetzer ist. Und noch in der selben Sekunde gab es dann auch die größte Preisbewegung (0,77%) und die stärkste Volumenspitze.

Hatte der Xetra-Handel in den zwei Minuten geklemmt und dann alles in einer Sekunde nachgeholt?

@Livetour [#5]

Guten Abend:-)

Wir hatten am Freitag auch Verfall. "Höhere" Volumenbewegungen gab es auch bei anderen AG´s.

Hier ein Beispiel mit der EON:

@ Livetour [#5]

Ich habe für Aktien keinen echten Livemitschnitt, nur ein Backfill von TPRT. Da dort solche Hänger "normal" sind bei, habe ich mir über diese "Pause" keine Gedanken gemacht.
Aber ich habe mir jetzt zusätzlich nochmal die zugehörigen Bid/Ask Spread's angesehen, wenn eine halbe Mio. Aktien plötzlich auf einer Seite als "Überschuss" sind, dann ist es nichts ungewöhnliches, das erstmal der Bid/Ask Spread "langsam" auseinander geht, bis genug Stücke auf der Gegenseite vorhanden sind.

Eventuell hätte der Trade als 50x 10000Stk einen besseren Durchschnittskurs erzielt. Es könnte also ein simpler getriggerter Stop einer grossen Position gewesen sein wofür es nur ganz wenige Ordermanagmentsysteme gibt, die innerhalb bestimmter Zeit erst versuchen das automatisch als Eisbergorder zu realisieren, bevor dann notfalls doch alles auf einmal in den Markt gehauen wird...

@ select [#6]

Verfall? Was'n das? :-) Aber stimmt, hatte ich vergessen. Mir ging es jedoch nicht so sehr um das hohe Tagesvolumen, sondern eher um den über zweiminütigen Aussetzer. Ich dachte, sowas gibt's auf Xetra höchstens in Folge eines technischen Fehlers, zumindest in einem so liquiden Marktumfeld.

Ich war zwar am Freitag nicht da, aber diese kleine Pause sieht mir doch ganz nach Vola Unterbrechung auf Xetra aus.
Kann man bei den Tickdaten auf Bloomberg nachsehen, habe ich leider aktuell aber nicht zur Hand.

Auf bloomberg erscheint ein s in der Umsatzstatistik. Eine "Intradayindikativauktion" . Vielleicht ist die Spitze im Volumen alle in der Auktion abgehandelten Stücke. Viele Börsen haben eine intraday eine eröffnungs und eine schlussauktion.

@ talon

Du hast Recht. VAK Kurs nach Volaunterbrechung steht da

Grüsse